JISHOU, HUNAN — So, three years ago, I wrote a post about objections to the International Baccalaureate program as a tool of the left wing, socialists, the UN, anti-Christians and things that go bump in the night.
It got a few comments afterward, but they petered out in early 2008. Then “ObserverNY,” otherwise known as Lisa McLoughlin, dropped by late last month and reopened the discussion. You can read our previous exchanges at the original post. The purpose of this post is to highlight her most recent comment, and my response to it.
To put it briefly, Lisa does not trust the UN or President Barack Obama, and predicts a “revolution” is coming. The IB program is just the tip of the iceberg of her fears and objections to the world as it is.
Her post begins with a response to my questioning whether IB is an NGO of the UN.
I’m afraid you are incorrect. IBO is PRECISELY an NGO of UNESCO. Since you don’t want to look at my website, how about the official IB website? Is that ok with you?
The IB has been recognized as a NGO of UNESCO since 1970 and currently has the status of “formal consultative relations as a network” with UNESCO. IB representatives participate regularly in UNESCO meetings and comment on UNESCO proposals in education. Some projects have received UNESCO funding—see Cambodia and Nigeria in the list of partnerships [126 kb, PDF] and exchanges with governments and inter-governmental organizations (IGOs).
Back in the early 70’s when I was in HS, I was a hippie. We protested the Vietnam War, our school had constant drug raids, we wore scraggly ripped jeans, we all had long hair and I even cleaned up an oil spill with the Environmental Action Club. You might even be interested in knowing I taught the lead guitarist for Sonic Youth how to play Blackbird, Lee and I are friends. We went to Grateful Dead concerts in old VW mini-vans and did all kinds of groovy things. Our school was on split-session due to the recession of the 70’s and I had to catch the bus at 6:15 AM. In my senior year, I doubled up on my courses simply so I could graduate in January. I couldn’t WAIT to get out of there.
And then I grew up.
You ask me: what is wrong with the UN? What exactly are you afraid of?
As far as I’m concerned, the UN should fall into the East River and suffer the same fate as The League of Nations. It is a destructive, corrupt, dysfunctional, power-hungry organization that seeks to rule the world. Our idiot President just yesterday, joined the UNHRC. If ANY division of the UN is a bigger farce and more full of communist hypocrites, I can’t really think of it. UNESCO is a close second. Reagan pulled the U.S. out of UNESCO and it was only idiot Bush the 2nd who rejoined after the adoption of Goals 2000. Tax cheat TurboTax Geithner and the Obamination are now meeting with the G20 and the concept of a “global currency” is “on the table”. And you ask me what I am afraid of?
I am afraid that this naive President who thinks we can sit down and “talk” to crazed dictators like Chavez and Achmadinejad is shredding our Constitution. I’m afraid that this President who duped the American public into believing his message of “hope” and “change” is changing this country into what can only be described as “democratic fascism”. I’m afraid that all of our individual freedoms are being stripped from us in a far more dangerous manner than the Patriot Act ever did. And I’m afraid for my children and my grandchildren as to what kind of America they will have to live in and be mercilessly taxed in if we don’t stand up for the Constitution and American fundamentals.
Remember, 48% of this country DID NOT vote for Obama. I am afraid a revolution is coming. I’m just a suburban Mom, yet for the first time in my life I have purchased a gun. I now go to the range regularly to hone my skills. The cost of ammunition has gone up 250% since the election. I am not alone. On April 15th, you will see an outpouring of protest across this country the likes of which has never been seen before. There will be protests by Americans, and at these protests there will be Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians and probably some anarchists, but the bottom line is they will be Americans standing up for American principles and saying, Enough is enough!
Infiltration of the UN/One World government’s agenda through our children’s education is the most heinous of all. I’ll leave you with the words of a very famous German you may have heard of: He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future!
OK, OK. So, the IB is an NGO of the UN. I concede the point, but I still doubt that the UN, or UNESCO, or any external agency micromanages the IBO. Then again, I don’t swallow most conspiracy theories hook, line and sinker.
From your autobiographical details, I can tell we are approximately the same age (I graduated Cold Spring Harbor HS in 1974, so we are also fellow Long Islanders), but there the resemblance ends. I was a liberal in HS, though not a hippie, despite my long hair then. [Hippies kind of fell off the map around 1971 or so, anyway. So did the word “groovy,” as I recall. Not all hippies were Deadheads, and vice versa, either.] If you have recounted your wind and crazy HS experiences in an effort to establish street creds as a recovered liberal, I am afraid you have failed to impress me.
I could really care less about your connections to Sonic Youth and Lee Ranaldo, either. It may interest you to know I attended the same schools — from kindergarten to university — as former eBay CEO Margaret Whitman. We were not friends then, or now. So what? Connections to famous people do not mean a damn thing.
You grew up. Congratulations. I suppose you mean to imply that I did not, since I am still a liberal, pacifistic, environmentally conscious baby boomer, with the emphasis on “baby.” If your version of adulthood is the model of being “grown up,” then I am glad I missed that train. You sound like you’re still afraid of the bogeyman, except now, he’s the UN.
Points conceded: the UN is a bureaucratic nightmare, top-heavy with administrators, and saddled with dealing with more than 190 contentious, independent nations all trying to get a piece of the same pie. “Power-hungry?” “Seeks to rule the world?” The UN is so inefficient I doubt it could manage to rule Manhattan Island successfully, even if the Mayor and millions of New Yorkers rolled over and let it.
“A global currency”
There already is one, a de facto one. It is called the US dollar. Before that, it was the pound sterling. Neither led to worldwide hegemony, though the UK did control most of the Third World for a while. The EU has the euro as a common currency. So far, those countries have not yet merged into a monolithic European Nation.
“Obama and ‘democratic fascism'”
Fascism is never democratic, no matter how fascist states choose to name themselves. Obama has not shredded the Constitution, and I would ask you to specify exactly what he has done to do so. His predecessor walked all over separation of powers for eight years, and pushed the PATRIOT Act — a serious infringement on individual freedoms — through Congress, yet somehow you (and every rightwing talk radio host) never seemed to squawk about it then.
And in case you have not noticed, the USA is still a two-party government, and the GOP seems to be doing a pretty decent job fighting Obama’s so-called liberal reforms, much better than the Dems did fighting the Bush Administration’s conservative reforms. So, running around like Chicken Little telling us the sky is falling makes you sound exactly like the nutjobs you say you are not.
“Remember, 48% of this country DID NOT vote for Obama. I am afraid a revolution is coming. I’m just a suburban Mom, yet for the first time in my life I have purchased a gun. I now go to the range regularly to hone my skills.”
Again, so what? Half the country did not vote for Bush last election, but we are still a United States of America. We liberals did not suggest secession or revolution. (Of course, we are all “babies” who don’t pack heat, so such an effort would be doomed from the start.) Are you suggesting that every time we elect the “wrong” president, the citizenry should take up arms and revolt? You would rather the USA emulate some Latin American countries of yore, with an annual revolution or two whenever one faction found fault with the most recent election/coup d’etat? That idea seems pretty “un-American.” If we as a country had adopted that fatalistic frame of mind, the USA would have fallen apart long before the Civil War.
Chavez is full of hot air, a Castro-wannabe. Ahmadinejad’s government is a little more dangerous, I grant, but Iran is not the next Soviet Union. The USA has been dealing with “crazed dictators” throughout its history. Sometimes our choices have been pretty poor. Sometimes they are excellent. You may recall, being of the same vintage as I, that at one time the USA did not recognize “Red China” as a legitimate nation. That ended when that liberal firebrand Nixon (that’s sarcasm, by the way) ended that policy by visiting China in the ’70s. Smart move, if you ask me; without China buying up $1 trillion in US Treasury Bonds and Bills, we’d be in a bigger economic mess than we are now.
A tax revolt on April 15 — is that what you suggest will happen? The “people” will take to the streets and show Washington and the IRS what-for? I am not holding my breath. Sure, we all hate paying taxes, but we would be paying taxes for a long long time with or without Obama’s recovery plan. (Carrying two wars in two separate nations is a tad expensive, you know.) Others (from the nuttier elements of the right wing, many of whom seem to live in remote compounds in Idaho) have been predicting these tax revolts for decades, in fact every time a Democrat gets elected to office and raises taxes. None have come to pass, kind of like that Y2K meltdown and the Second Coming at the millennium.
Nice touch, ending with a quote from Adolf Hitler, from 1935. By this I suppose you are trying to equate the IB program with the Hitler Youth. Before you start making such accusations, you might want to read up on your history. Hitler was a fascist, a real one. The Nazis imposed the Hitler Youth on the Germany public, requiring all boys (well, the Aryan ones) to serve in the Youth to be indoctrinated in the “Nazi way.” It was not an educational program, or a school; it was a propaganda wing of the ruling party. To suggest the IB program has a similar aim — or result — is so ludicrous that it defies logic.
Lisa, you want me to respect you as someone different from a “religious nutjob conspiracy theorist.” This last diatribe from you is so frankly wacko that you have sealed your fate. I cannot take you seriously. Arguing with you about the merits of IB is a patent waste of time, and I have other things to do.